Tuesday, November 27, 2007



How Could Eve Have Sex With A Serpent?

Some object to the idea of Eve having sex with the serpent. How could a woman have sex with a snake?According to Genesis 3:14:

So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, you will be punished. You are singled out from all the domestic and wild animals of the whole earth to be cursed. You will grovel in the dust as long as you live, crawling along on your belly" (NLT).

Notice that God punished the serpent by changing it's form. It wasn't until after this punishment that the serpent became an animal that would grovel in the dust and crawl on its belly. In other words, the serpent did not look like what we think of as a serpent today; that form came after God's punishment. Therefore, whatever the serpent's form was when it appeared to Eve prior to The Fall, it was not in the form of a present-day serpent. Perhaps the reason the serpent was changed into the form of a creature that closely resembles the male sex organ and has been worshiped universally in almost every primative society as a phallic symbol is attributed to the nature of Eve's transgression which, again, was, according to Tennant, sexual intercourse with the serpent or Satan.

How Did The Serpent Appear To Eve?
So if the serpent did not appear to Eve in the form of a snake, what form did it have?Those who dispute that the serpent was the devil are in a small minority. The widespread concensus among among scholars is that the serpent and Satan were one and the same. Although the Eden narrative does not specifically say the serpent was the devil ingognito, other passages do:

This great dragon - the ancient serpent called the Devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world - was thrown down to the earth with all his angels (Revelation 12:9).He seized the dragon - that old serpent, the Devil, Satan - and bound him in chains for a thousand years (Rev 20:2).

So what does the Devil, or Satan, look like?

First, there's no Scriptural support whatsoever that the Devil sports a goatee, carries a pitchfork, and has hoofs, red skin, a pointy-tail, and horns. Second Corinthians 11:14-15 states that Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

The Fall Of Satan
Before man fell, Satan fell. Before Satan the Devil became Satan (which means "adversary"), his name was Lucifer (which means "shining star"). Lucifer was created by God as perfect, but iniquity was found in him. Ezekiel 28:15 says this of Lucifer:


You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, until iniquity was found in you.

All the angels were created perfect, but with a free will, just like Adam and Eve. Isaiah 14:12-15 describes the fall of Satan:

"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star [i.e. Lucifer], son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world. For you said to yourself, `I will ascend to heaven and set my throne above God's stars. I will preside on the mountain of the gods far away in the north. I will climb to the highest heavens and be like the Most High.' But instead, you will be brought down to the place of the dead, down to its lowest depths (NLT).

Lucifer tried to kick God off of the throne of the universe, becoming like God; but he failed. He did, however, become the "god of this world," according to 2 Corinthians 4:4. Revelation 20:10 says Satan will finally be eternally punished for his rebellion:

Then the Devil, who betrayed them, was thrown into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever (NLT).

One third of the angels joined Satan in his rebellion. They were also cast out of Heaven when Lucifer fell (Rev.12:4,9). So Lucifer became Satan, while the fallen angels became demons. Satan then targeted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.

According to Ezekiel 28:17, Lucifer became very egotistic and prideful because he was extremely beautiful/handsome.According to Ezekiel 28:11-14:

The word of the LORD came to me, saying,"Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD:

"You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, eryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God. You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones."

Although this is primarily being addressed to the king of Tyrus, it is also talking about Lucifer. It's doubtful that the king of Tyrus was in the Garden of Eden. Furthermore, the word "cherub" is always used in references to angels; never men. Therefore, God seems to be drawing some sort of parallel between the king of Tyrus and Lucifer.

Notice that Lucifer is described as someone who was "full of wisdom." Serpents were worshiped not only as phallic symbols and fertility symbols, but were also highly regarded for their wisdom by ancient primitive cultures. In Genesis 3:6, the woman saw that the tree was "a tree desirable to make one wise."Lucifer was also described as being "perfect in beauty." Lucifer was covered with every precious stone: the sardius, topaz, diamonds, beryls, eryls, onyx, jaspers, sapphires, turquoise, emeralds, and gold. Serpents are also known for their beautiful skin. Perhaps this is saying that Lucifer had skin like that of a serpent, arrayed with all these beautiful colors.

So it seems logical that Satan appeared to Eve as a walking, talking man, perfect in beauty with beautiful skin like that of a serpent. Angels can, and often do, appear as men. In Genesis 19:1 two angels went to Sodom to warn Lot of impending doom. In verse 4-5, the men of Sodom asked Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may rape them." These angels looked like men and evidently were capable of engaging in sexual relations. Also, Genesis 6:1-2 says:


Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the "sons of God" saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

Although there is great controversy within the church over who these "sons of God" were, many believe they were fallen angels. Therefore, it is not illogical that Eve would have been sexually attracted to Satan. Neither is it illogical that Eve could have had sex with the Devil.

Furthermore, it is also not illogical that Satan would have been sexually attracted to Eve. Although the Bible gives us little description of what Eve looked like, based upon Adam's initial reaction, she must have been one of the most beautiful women to ever live, if not "the" most beautiful woman to ever live. Therefore, it seems illogical to believe Satan was not sexually attracted to Eve.

8 comments:

Matthew said...

how could satan have a sexual attraction at all?

Matthew said...

It is very illogical to think so. Furthermore, just because those, "sons of God" looked like men, didn't mean that they were capable of having sex. And why would they be fallen angels? They were sent by God.

Ivan said...

Alright i am going to shed some light here for everyone who reads this... Genesis 3:1 1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?.. we all know the devil can not create he can only pervert! Also because satan is spirit he would have no sexual desire... so this serpent was a so close to HUMANLIKE he was considered the most SUBTIL to ANY BEAST except HUMAN... we could even say he is the missing LINK scientists would love to discover but never will because God transformed it in Genesis 3:14... clearly it was not a snake as it talked with Eve otherwise she would have freaked HELLO talking snake calling God a liar hhhhmmm not sure about you, but i would freak out if a snake starting talking to me lol... so in closing satan used this serpents physical looks to seduce Eve (again he perverts Gods creation) probably even POSSESSED it.. use STRONGS concordance to refer to the word BEGUILED as it is used TWICE when referring to Eve and serpent one in HEBREW and the other in GREEK and you will see the word means "SEDUCED" where in other placed BEGUILED is used the word SEDUCE is not used in reference... For Eve to conversate with the serpent she obviously saw it friendly even approachable or even ATTRACTIVE ... there you have it :) May God open your eyes to this truth..

Tom Gruber said...

Ivan,
Thanks for your thoughtful comments.

I agree with some of your comments, I disagree with others. First, I agree that Satan probably did not appear to Eve in the form of a snake. Otherwise, how could God have transformed Satan into the form of a snake if he was already in the form of a snake? The Bible describes Lucifer, who many consider to be the name of Satan before the fall, as the most beautiful of all the creatures God had made. The Bible also gives us examples of angels who appeared as men, as was the case of the angels who visited Sodom and Gomorrah. Other examples could be cited. So although the Bible doesn't tell us this explicitly, it is totally logical that Satan could have appeared to Eve in the form of a beautiful/handsome man, the most handsome man Eve or any other woman has ever seen. This is just educated speculation on my part. I cannot prove it, but to me it seems totally logical. I'm simply putting 2 and 2 together. I'm certainly not the first person to reach these conclusions.

If my speculation is accurate, then it is at least logical that Eve may have had a sexual attraction to Satan. You and Matthew both suggest that it is absurd that Satan would have or could have had a sexual desire for Eve or that Satan could have acted upon that desire even if he had such a desire.

God destroyed the earth, save Noah and his family, with a flood. The main reason given is that the sons of God had a sexual desire for the daughters of men and intermarried with them. Though not everyone believes that the "sons of God" referred to here were fallen angels, many respectable theologians do. This was the most common and widespread belief held prior to Augustine, even among most ancient Jews. It is still widespread today. John MacArthur of Grace To You talks about this at length in a sermon entitled "Demonic Invasion." It's worth listening to.

Yes, Eve was deceived, as the Bible clearly states. But Adam was not deceived and he knew better than to believe the devil's lies, as the Bible also clearly states.

Ivan said...

Thanks for responding Tom.. i love talking about the Bible with people who are open and take time to try to understand it in more detail.. its always a pleasure

Ok in response to satan having physical sex with Eve, lets assume the Sons of God who took the daughters of men are referring to falling angels, they are still spirit as is satan so even if they can take on HUMAN form they still can not create PERIOD wether it be by DIVINE POWER or SEX. The reproductive ORGAN of the fallen angels or satan would not function in a sense to get a female pregnant only God can create. You are so close to the truth brother all you have to do is replace satan with the serpent and you are correct. Remember this serpent is no SNAKE more like half ape half human maybe, but satan 100% did not father Cain himself he cannot reproduce. satan did influence this beast to seduce (beguile) Eve. So in other words Cains physical father is the Serpent and Cains spiritual father is satan as Abels physical father is Adam and Abels spiritual father is God. The Sons of God that saw the daughters of men.. here is the answer to this "they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain". The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels are able to reproduce nor does it state this anywhere. With your understanding you are putting satan in a powerful position which is incorrect.. but the most important thing here brother is that you have an understanding that it was not a TALKING SNAKE and an APPLE (fruit) that caused all this DRAMA and AMEN to that :)

Tom Gruber said...

Ivan,

Again, thanks for your thoughtful comments.

In response to your statement (I'm paraphrasing)that fallen angels are spirit and therefore they cannot create or get a woman pregnant because only God can create, reconsider that statement for a moment. I agree that nobody but God can create in the sense of creating something out of nothing. Yet human men do, in another sense, create human babies by having sex with human women and getting them pregnant. Some would say man perverts that creative process by producing test tube babies and cloning sheep.

To claim that angels cannot create PERIOD simply because they are spirit is illogical and not biblical because God, who created everything, is a spirit.

The idea that Cain's father was Satan is not a new idea. I do not know whether I believe this to be true or not, but it would certainly account for a whole lot of things if it were true.

The idea that the Sons of God were the godly descendants of Seth is also nothing new. In fact, it is probably the predominant view held today, though the idea that the Sons of God were fallen angels comes in as a close second today. Furthermore, it was easily the number one view prior to Augustine, held by both Jews and Christians. It was the predominant view at the time of Christ and centuries before. Of course, that, all by itself, does not make it true. But it should be cause for serious and thoughtful consideration. It should raise a red flag for claims to the contrary.

Though there are pros and cons to both positions, I've researched both positions in depth and find the fallen angels position much more persuasive to me.

Whether or not angels manifesting themselves in a physical human form have sex organs and how those sex organs might function is somewhat of a mystery because, as you stated, the Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels are able to reproduce nor does it state this anywhere. I agree. This is why I try not to be overly dogmatic on this point.

Were the Sons of God fallen angels or demons? Again, I suggest to anyone seriously weighing the pros and cons of the various positions to either listen to or read John MacArthur's message entitled "Demonic Invasion." The web link is:

http://www.gty.org/Shop/Audio+Lessons/90-254_Demonic-Invasion

Ivan said...

Morning Tom...

I have to disagree on man creating something from nothing, the materials used to create anything were already existing. You build a house from scratch but the materials are already there the wood,nails,the power tools, etc.etc. When we bake a cake we get all the ingredients and put it together to make a cake, but AGAIN the materials are existent to make this possible. God is the only divine entity who literally created EVERYTHING from nothing (no materials) not even angles or satan could do that otherwise satan would be pretty powerful creating beings and more angels and anything else he wanted.. human men get woman pregnant but again the ingredients already there you have the "woman" or even to create test tube babies the scientists are using material s that already existed to create life so they are NOT creating something from nothing they are simply putting the ingredients (that already existed) together.. course this would have to be blasphemy (men is trying to be God) and i really havent looked into that to see if the test tube baby grows normal and has no complications... answer me this.. If the serpent was satan literally satan himself.. and God transformed this serpent after the sin was committed.. i mean God CURSED it and with his all mighty power transformed it.. in other words satan should NOT have the power to un-change himself he should remain a SNAKE for all eternity right?.. the snakes existing now come from the SERPENT that was the most SUBTLE of all beasts.. which brings me to the next question.. again assuming SATAN is literally the serpent wouldn't the Bible state the serpent was the most SUBTLE of all CREATION including MAN instead of just BEASTS, or are you saying MAN is more subtle than satan? the Bible is Gods word and God is not a God of confusion.. you said it before there are some stuff you cannot be sure of and are a mystery to you and you can only rely on your own understanding or other people who are NOT prophets to help answer but will still leave you with a wondering where i HAVE no questions.. i have no mystery in the Bible God had mercy on me and gave me understanding... if you believe in the Bible you HAVE to believe in prophets and my info is backed up by a prophet.. have you heard of William Branham? check out his website

http://www.williambranham.com/feature_pages/the-original-sin/

the bible make it clear in AMOS 3:7 7Surely the Lord GOD will do NOTHING, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets... prophets not preachers, not people who have a degree in religion, not John MacArthur, and not you or I, but PROPHETS only..

and we will be able to discern between a false and real prophet according to their FRUITS.. This man has answered everything in the Bible plus his miraculous healing campaigns (and reviving a dead boy and dealing with the demon possessed), his prophetic visions, and not to mention his supernatural autobiography..check it out

StanNeedsKnowledge said...

Ok what about sodom and Gomorrah. I don't think those cities were destroyed because of homosexuals because there are other cases of homosexuality in the bible and there was no other cities destroyed like that. And what did the ALL KNOWING God come down to see for himself I would hope not homo porn.